UK Charts/ Midweeks 2019

Ag said:
Voulez Vous
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I'm not convinced it would have been really, as there were 7 different singles released - one was Voulez Vous/Angeleyes and another was Voulez Vous (extended)/If It Wasn't For The Nights, as well as five other singles from the album(ish). But for some reason both VVs were counted together.
 
lolly said:
I'm not convinced it would have been really, as there were 7 different singles released - one was Voulez Vous/Angeleyes and another was Voulez Vous (extended)/If It Wasn't For The Nights, as well as five other singles from the album(ish). But for some reason both VVs were counted together.
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Would at least one of them topped the chart then? Or would they all have been pipped to the post by Alexandra Burke or Ultrabeat or something?
 
If I recall correctly, VV was #1, something else (possibly a Gallagher) was #2, and then the others #3 to #7. So I suspect they may not have been #1 had the sales been separated.
 
lolly said:
I suspect it was the record industry rather than the artist or the fans, as much as neither would have liked it. But as I see a compilation album as being different, it doesnt bother me if it isn't #1 in the same chart or if it sold more. It doesn't make the status of the rtist album any less valid for me.
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It was the industry...record labels were moaning at not getting no 1 albums because it was a period when that could spark interest internationally, especially across Europe.
 
David Bowie is mostly number 1 on the physical singles chart whenever I look. Or indeed a Gallagher.
 
I briefly read VV as being BROWN and wondered what demon had opened the gateway to hell
 
Ag said:
David Bowie is mostly number 1 on the physical singles chart whenever I look. Or indeed a Gallagher.
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He keeps thumping out picture discs of his old singles. This started in his lifetime so he's absolutely getting the blame of it.

That said, I'm totally having the Ashes To Ashes one when it comes out.
 
Alla said:
Yes and no, because if they decided to create the other chart because compilations were becoming too popular, then the criteria for the separation was simply because they wanted to have proper artists at #1. If compilations were selling less copies they probably wouldn't feel like they had to do that. I know it's their charts, their rules, but it looks all a bit fake to me. But whatever, no big deal, just saying.
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To an extent, yes, but Compilations (i.e. 40 singles by 40 different artists) are a very different beast to artist albums, and to be honest you'd get a significant chunk of people arguing they should never have been in the main chart to begin with. When their popularity increased is when the rule changed, but it is a rule that potentially should have not been there to begin with.

Problem is, their always has been and always will be 'fakeness' in the charts. What about Double A sides? They are clearly there to promote two songs (with videos, airplay and promotion) yet combine them on one disc simply to ensure higher sales and a higher position. Should they have ever been allowed? Back in the 90's, you could get posters, enhanced singles including the video, postcards etc...obviously there to encourage fans to buy for reasons other than the actual song.

Then you can look at holding releases back - sometimes for up to 8 weeks. So was the #1 the week before a held back release really the most popular song that week, or was it simply you couldn't buy the other, more popular track? 3 different eligible formats anyone? Airplay being such a big part of many worldwide charts?

So the chart has always been subject to massive manipulation. I guess now though it is just a much more difficult situation, because for the first time ever all charts are ruled by what is a passive measure (streaming) and so many estimates and rules that it is hard to take them seriously.
 
It has been announced as the most played song of the 21st Century on UK radio.
 
Thursday mids

Singles

1 Ed Sheeran feat. Khalid - Beautiful People (53.2k)
2 Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Senorita (48.4k)
3 Ed Sheeran feat. Stormzy - Take Me Back To London (40.6k)
4 Ed Sheeran feat. Chance the Rapper & PnB Rock - Cross Me (39.8k)
5 Lewis Capaldi - Hold Me While You Wait (27.8k)

6 Sigala & Becky Hill - Wish You Well
8 MIST feat. Fredo - So High
9 AJ Tracey - Ladbroke Grove

13 Dave feat. Burna Boy - Location
15 Billie Eilish - bad guy
16 Dominic Fike - 3 Nights
17 Kygo & Whitney Houston - Higher Love
18 Krept & Konan feat. Headie One & K-Trap - I Spy

27 Freya Ridings - Castles
30 Mark Ronson feat. Camila Cabello - Find U Again
36 Remedee feat. Not3s & Young Adz - Love of My Life
40 Tiësto, Jonas Blue & Rita Ora - Ritual

Albums

1 Ed Sheeran - No.6 Collaborations Project (103.4k)
2 Lewis Capaldi - Divinely Uninspired to a Hellish Extent (13.9k)
3 Kylie Minogue - Step Back in Time: The Definitive Collection (5.9k)
4 Billie Eilish - WHEN WE ALL FALL ASLEEP, WHERE DO WE GO? (5.7k)
5 Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper - A Star Is Born (4.9k)

7 Ed Sheeran - ÷
8 George Ezra - Staying At Tamara's

13 Fleetwood Mac - 50 Years: Don't Stop
15 Tom Walker - What a Time to Be Alive
16 Gerry Cinnamon - Erratic Cinematic
19 Ed Sheeran - x
20 Dua Lipa - Dua Lipa

25 New Order + Liam Gillick: So it goes..
26 Jax Jones - Snacks
28 Oasis - Time Flies: 1994-2009
30 ABBA - Gold: Greatest Hits

33 Fleetwood Mac - Rumours
34 Jack Savoretti - Singing to Strangers
35 Madonna - Madame X
37 Queen - The Platinum Collection
38 Bob Marley & The Wailers - Legend
39 Ed Sheeran - +
40 Motion Picture Cast Recording - Yesterday

What's behind Madame X rising? Did she issue a limited run vinyl or something? Seems quite random considering it was down to 46 last week
 
He's like Glasvegas with an acoustic guitar and no self-awareness.
 
There's definitely an ambition to have him as a modern folk hero, "voice of the people" type i.e. exactly the kind of stuff that turns my stomach.
 
So obviously the Ed Sheeran album came out last week and to stop the songs from flooding the top 20 like his last effort, only the top three selling songs count towards the chart. This however has had the rather ludicrous side-effect of disqualifying I Don't Care - the lead single and one of the year's biggest hits - from the chart completely, so its chart run is now as follows:

1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-OUT

Of course it's still getting shitloads of radio play so when the album hype dies down it will inevitably re-enter the top ten in a few week's time... I know we've been saying it for ages but the chart really is utterly meaningless now.
 
Pingu said:
So obviously the Ed Sheeran album came out last week and to stop the songs from flooding the top 20 like his last effort, only the top three selling songs count towards the chart. This however has had the rather ludicrous side-effect of disqualifying I Don't Care - the lead single and one of the year's biggest hits - from the chart completely, so its chart run is now as follows:

1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-OUT

Of course it's still getting shitloads of radio play so when the album hype dies down it will inevitably re-enter the top ten in a few week's time... I know we've been saying it for ages but the chart really is utterly meaningless now.
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They basically changed the chart rules because of him and I wonder if this ridiculous situation will provoke another change somehow.

But yes, they’ve absolutely destroyed any sort of meaning the charts have nowadays. Complete waste.
 
I'm not sure they'll change anything now - increasingly the 'official' chart feels more like a BURDEN that the OCC is just putting up with.

I think they'd much rather throw together some hybrid compiled of Spotify and YouTube and have a chart that looks cool and edgy, rather than one that is based on quantifiable data.
 
Well when the #1 selling AND #1 streaming song ends up at #7, what's in or out seems RATHER MOOT anyway.
 
I was watching an old "Live At The Apollo" yesterday on the iPlayer (because my life is going really well at the moment). It was presented by Frankie Boyle and was from late 2014 - Jameela Jamil is in the audience before she became the hu-uge success she is now. Boyle points out that she does the chart countdown on Radio One and how exciting that is and then says "it could only be more exciting if it was 20 years ago and anyone still gave a shit".

5 years later, the charts are an unwelcome relic, of help to neither the industry nor the public. They're just an indulgence really.
 
Alla said:
Apparently the Sheeran/Bieber song is back in at #3 in the midweeks :D
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So that's presumably because one of the songs that sold more last week is now selling less than it? But now it's a HOT RE-ENTRY :manson:

And what about this accelerated streaming ratio business? Does the fact that it was excluded from the chart mean that that is now reset?
 
The thing is, there's a good chance some Sheeran tracks are going to be disappearing and reentering the chart like that. What kind of joke is this?
 
Slave said:
I'm not sure they'll change anything now - increasingly the 'official' chart feels more like a BURDEN that the OCC is just putting up with.

I think they'd much rather throw together some hybrid compiled of Spotify and YouTube and have a chart that looks cool and edgy, rather than one that is based on quantifiable data.
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A hybrid of Spotify and YouTube won't feel edgy though, will it? Streaming is stagnant as fuck.
 
Alla said:
The thing is, there's a good chance some Sheeran tracks are going to be disappearing and reentering the chart like that. What kind of joke is this?
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Well yes, presumably as this album campaign proceeds songs will drop out and re-enter as they are pushed as singles, whatever that means now.

That did happen to an extent with the last album though, except they were all allowed to chart initially.

Presumably now those songs will be 'new entries' despite the fact they would have been bubbling around the chart for months, but for a rule to exclude them.
 
The thing is, I thought I remembered reading that the record company had to "nominate" three songs that were chart-eligible. If it's just going to be the three songs that are most popular on a weekly basis that is going to be messy as fuck.
 
I guess that makes sense for the labels, in terms of directing focus to the songs they want it on. But the idea that an act could have three songs which are selling/streaming better but who they have decided they just don't want to chart for whatever reason seems even worse.

Oh I don't know if it IS worse. It's just ALL shit.
 
MONDAY

Singles

1 Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Señorita (19.4k)
2 Ed Sheeran feat. Khalid - Beautiful People (18.4k)
3 Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care (17.4k)
4 Ed Sheeran feat. Stormzy - Take Me Back to London (12.6k)
5 Billie Eilish - bad guy (12.2k)

13 Sam Smith - How Do You Sleep?
14 Kygo & Whitney Houston - Higher Love
18 Freya Ridings - Castles

21 Katy Perry - Never Really Over
22 Stormzy - Vossi Bop
28 Lil Nas X - Panini
29 Tiësto, Jonas Blue & Rita Ora - Ritual :disco:
35 Beyoncé, SAINt JHN & Wizkid feat. Blue Ivy Carter - BROWN SKIN GIRL
36 Ellie Goulding & Juice WRLD - Hate Me


Albums

1 Ed Sheeran - No.6 Collaborations Project (24.7k)
2 Freya Ridings - Freya Ridings (9.1k)
3 Lewis Capaldi - Divinely Uninspired to a Hellish Extent (5.8k)
4 Thom Yorke - Anima (5.0k)
5 Shakespeares Sister - Singles Party (1988-2019) (3.1k)
7 Sabaton - The Great War
8 Brian Eno - Apollo: Atmospheres & Soundtracks

14 Sum 41 - Order In Decline
17 Hank Marvin - Gold
21 Sabaton - The Great War: History Edition
24 Prince - Originals
27 Shalamar - Gold
32 The Flaming Lips - King's Mouth
36 James Taylor - The Warner Bros. Albums: 1970-1976
 
I really don’t get why Ritual isn’t in the top 10 already.
 
Christ, sales are really in the shit if a Brian Eno reissue is looking at the top 10!

(PS - I bought it, mind you. And "Anima". Not The Flaming Lips tho', they jumped the shark a loooong time ago now)
 
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