The Netherlands 2024: Joost Klein - Europapa (1 Viewer)

Marina Salty said:
And on another level the fact that the police feels it needs to do a public statement to pat itself (and the broadcaster) in the shoulder and comment/interfere/soft dictate on the likelihood of a prosecution is also quite problematic imo. Is there no separation of powers in place?
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What does this have to do with the separation of powers?
 
Madisön said:
What does this have to do with the separation of powers?
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Absolutely nothing. Why is this even still an issue? If an allegation like this has been made in a regular workplace he would be suspended pending an investigation. If it hadn’t been for the inaccurate initial link between the incident and the Israeli delegation then I doubt there would have been the immediate or on-going outrage.
 
Madisön said:
What does this have to do with the separation of powers?
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In the sense that police is an executive power and a persecutor is a judicial power, and the executive cannot comment on what the judicial will or will not do.
Never mind maybe it's unrelated, or maybe it's just different, or maybe am overthinking it.
 
The EBU have updated their press release:


“The Dutch artist Joost Klein was disqualified from the Grand Final of this year’s Eurovision Song Contest following threatening behaviour directed at a female member of the production crew. Swedish police have investigated the offence, and the case will soon be handed over to the prosecutor in an accelerated procedure.

Joost’s behaviour was in clear breach of Contest rules which are designed to ensure there is a safe working environment for all staff and to protect the production. We are not pre-judging the legal process but, given the circumstances of what occurred and the fact that the police case will shortly be handed to the prosecutor, it would not have been appropriate for Joost to participate in the Grand Final.

The decision to exclude him was backed by the Contest’s governing body of Members - the Eurovision Song Contest Reference Group - and unanimously supported by the EBU Executive Board, following a thorough internal investigation.

The version of events released in some public comments and on social media does not correspond with the statements shared with us and the Swedish Police by staff and witnesses. However, the matter is now subject to legal proceedings and there is unfortunately nothing further we can add at this stage.

We have a zero-tolerance policy towards inappropriate behaviour at our events and will always take necessary action to address threats to staff – no matter who they come from.”
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:eyes: at that last paragraph.

Does an accelerated procedure mean the details will be made public or is it just a case of him admitting guilt (if he does) and getting fined without anything coming out?
 
The Google translated bit of the actual article is still exactly what we already knew, but again with none of the context leading up to it which is where all the speculation has been:

The investigation has come to the conclusion that the man made a movement that hit the woman's film camera. The course of events was fixed and was perceived differently by the witnesses of the incident.
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I don’t think there’s all the much to tell in terms of the run-up to the event is there? I thought it was fairly accepted that he was being filmed, he didn’t want to be and he lashed out. It was the extent to which he lashed out that seemed to be subject to speculation.
 
There was a serious accusation against him. Even though it did not lead to a prosecution, I do not understand what action the EBU was expected to take in the immediacy. Suspensions in a place of work, pending an investigation, are commonplace.
 
It's a bit more complicated than a standard workplace suspension though, isn't it? The Dutch broadcaster, having spent significant money and resource on prepping this entry, had it pulled away from them on the basis of what appears to be a spurious accusation by one individual. I'd certainly want some answers if I were in their shoes.
 
VoR said:
It's a bit more complicated than a standard workplace suspension though, isn't it? The Dutch broadcaster, having spent significant money and resource on prepping this entry, had it pulled away from them on the basis of what appears to be a spurious accusation by one individual. I'd certainly want some answers if I were in their shoes.
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Especially given that backstage sounded like a nightmare and this was the only action the EBU seemed to take
 
Yes if this had happened in a vacuum it would be one thing, but there were multiple complaints about the Israeli press behaving in a manner that was aggressive and intimidating, but as far as I can see nothing at all was done about that, and the statement above indicates that the EBU haven't even done the Dutch delegation the courtesy of responding to the concerns they raised.
 
Don't the Dutch have about TWENTY public broadcasters? I imagine AVROTROS might quit and hand the reigns over to someone else.
 
I said it at the time and it still stands, the EBU's conduct and double standards around this year's contest put a dampener on things for me. As a pretty hardcore fan by the end of August/September I'm usually already looking to the following years contest...as things are 2025 has barely crossed my mind yet, and I suspect as it rolls around my excitement levels will still the lower than usual.
 
The reality of taking part in Eurovision was sobering. Some of the international broadcasters’ delegations that accompany the artists backstage were acting in a bullying manner, he alleges, with one journalist whipping out his smartphone to film him at the urinals.
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WeeWeeBlogs at it again.
 
Anyway, lashing out at camera operators and gabber music is only okay when Björk does it.
 
This from the SO CALLED journalist annoyed me -

Joost Klein is arguably the first artist to triumph at the Eurovision song contest without actually performing in the final.
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(Unless he ruled out Daði Freyr on the technicality that he later performed at the 2023 final in Liverpool)
 
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