...and at that point Labour under Corbyn will be leading the polls? Just wanting to clarify so we can revisit this in a few weeks time. I will be overjoyed to eat shit if I'm wrong.
I'm not the gambling or gloating type, but if it keeps you going then whatever.
If after four years of LEADING THE LABOUR PARTY*, Corbyn is still a philosophical outlier within that party, does that not suggest that perhaps he's not best suited to that particular job? And that maybe you as a voter should be looking at sending your own vote to a party that more broadly lines up with your personal politics?
I don't mean that in the sense that Corbynistas should be purged from the party - though to the 'which side are cultists' comment I'd certainly point to the treatment of Labour members who have caught the ire of momentum for not showing due deference to the glorious leader. Is that entirely his fault? No. But to deny he's a personality cult seems naive at best. But the Labour party is currently stuck between a rock and a hard place, and Corbyn as leader isn't shifting them. I'll repeat, my ideal would be to have a unifying moderate in command, with the Momentum-endorsed wing given a major seat at the table to keep the party from shifting too far back to the right.
*sorry to RANT IN CAPS, just wanting to place an important emphasis
For all of the talk of Stalinist purges and brutal Momentum attacks, I've seen the same aggression on the other side.
Here's a tweet from last week with 5k+ likes featuring
Corbynism being unfavourably compared to the National Front and the EDL. Neither are good things and being stupid on Twitter hurts both sides. That said, I try to avoid caricaturing my political opponents as slavish devotees of their leaders because it makes me sound like a twat. Everyone likes to stick up for who they support.
There is no such thing as a "unifying moderate". My biggest bugbear in modern politics is the conception of centrism as a Goldilocks-style equal mix of left and right. The right-wing economics of centrism far out-weigh the liberal social mores - as the meme says, the problems are bad, but the causes are very good.
Labour should be a socialist party, not a moderate party, and if the blatant wrecking carried out by the moderate wing in the past four years continues then your token left-winger isn't going to last too long. Owen Smith - soft left, not even a moderate - famously wanted to
proscribe Momentum from the party.
I feel like I'm banging my head against a wall here but I can only repeat. The current approach isn't working. A new approach is desperately required and we're running out of time. I literally do not give a shit about the why's and wherefores, I want to see a remain party leading the polls. I have voted Labour all my life, so I would be very happy if it was them. If you think Corbyn's job at this point is to cling on until whatever version of Brexit happens and then mumble "Well, I could've done that better, can we have yet another General Election please?" from the sidelines, then we're just going to have to agree that we're coming at this from very different perspectives.
In terms of 'a wider range of opinions', yes there are still a number of Pro-Brexit Labour MPs and voters out there, arguably including the miserable old cunt himself. The struggle to unify them with the Remain voters on the single most polarising political farce of our generation at this point falls squarely under 'Things Corbyn fairly had against him which at this point I do not give a shit about because the end result remains the same'. Please, please don't make me repeat it again. I'm really quite tired.
If you're not going to expand on what this new approach should be, then you can bang your head for as long as you like. If I were Labour leader, I would also simply win a general election, no shit.
What you've decided I think is again, an unfair caricature, but the facts of the situation are that Labour have had no involvement in the negotiations and don't have the numbers to ensure a second referendum. It's not making excuses, it's not pro-Corbyn spin, it's reality and it should inform the next step to take.
There are very few levers left to pull now, beyond another vote of no confidence which I imagine will take place after the recess. If that fails, or if Labour lose the resulting election, then yes, perhaps a new leader will be necessary.
And if you don't give a shit about that then why bother replying? It's just intellectual masturbation. Stop being so dismissive and calm down.
And many of those voters will not vote for the party under Corbyn under any circumstances because of the various ways in which he has become toxic, or will not trust Labour to prevent Brexit and will therefore be compelled to vote for the next-best centre-left option, causing much the same vote split that's going to damage the Tories and the Brexit Party on the other side and leaving the risk of a right-wing coalition leading us through the next four years unacceptably high. IMO.
Ultimately, the hysteria about Corbyn in this thread, or on Twitter, doesn't reflect the real world. Most people don't obsess over this stuff like we do.
There are undoubtedly some voters who will never countenance voting for him, just as there are voters who wouldn't vote for a leader from the Labour right. If the party go into an election supporting Remain more clearly, and I assume they will based on the front bench's recent comments, then I think the number of people who place their own personal vengeance over a vote for a pro-EU party would be smaller than you say.
