James Bond 25 - No Time To Die

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This was a great send off for Daniel Craig. I can't really say much else without major spoilers. The twist at the end was absurdly brilliant. All I will say is Ana de Armas and Christoph Waltz had very little screen time.
 
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What a load of old shite

If every single movie character was a progressive, equality fighting rebel, it would not only be supremely boring it would also be wholly unrealistic. The point of Bond is that he is flawed. You don’t embrace his chauvinism, you explore it. I don’t see them cancelling all the thousands of characters who murder and maim, should they not be represented in films either?

Yes 60s Bond is problematic. But that’s because it’s a product of the 60s, not a product of Bond itself.
 
funky said:
What a load of old shite

If every single movie character was a progressive, equality fighting rebel, it would not only be supremely boring it would also be wholly unrealistic. The point of Bond is that he is flawed. You don’t embrace his chauvinism, you explore it. I don’t see them cancelling all the thousands of characters who murder and maim, should they not be represented in films either?

Yes 60s Bond is problematic. But that’s because it’s a product of the 60s, not a product of Bond itself.
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I disagree entirely.

I think the entire 'James Bond' vehicle is rooted in institutional and historical misogyny - and yes by that I mean the books as well.

And it's not just 60s Bond that was problematic. I'd argue that all of them up until the Daniel Craig ones were and let's not even get into the racial stereotypes..
 
All that being said I definitely have a soft spot for Roger Moore Bond because he brought a camp quality to it and the whole thing was a joke; and therefore one can't get too upset about the whole thing. I mean Octopussy?! Surely they can't be serious!
 
Suedey said:
I disagree entirely.

I think the entire 'James Bond' vehicle is rooted in institutional and historical misogyny - and yes by that I mean the books as well.

And it's not just 60s Bond that was problematic. I'd argue that all of them up until the Daniel Craig ones were and let's not even get into the racial stereotypes..
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Well I was only using the 60s as an example, I agree that all eras have some degree of issues. But I think the narrative by the sort of people you posted above is opportunistic. Bond is huge, so let’s blame Bond for all the problems in entertainment. Bugs Bunny and Looney Tunes is inherently racist and yes it should come with a warning in 2021 but I’m not going to ignore the fact that it was a major part of my childhood and I love it, and brought me a lot of joy. And it certainly didn’t make me racist.

If she wants to have a go at misogyny and toxic masculinity in entertainment, she’d be better off starting with Love Island and yes, sorry, ALL scripted reality. And those are real people, not fictional characters.
 
Well I enjoyed it although it was FAR too long and yes not enough Christoph. I enjoyed Daniel Craig’s thighs though.
 
I enjoyed his massive bulge on the boat.

The Cuban scene at the birthday party with Ana de Armas was my favourite part.
 
She was good, but it felt a bit pointless when she was just like “SEEYA!” at the end. Previous Bonds would have totally fucked her - I wondered if it was Phoebe W-B’s influence that he didn’t…
 
funky said:
If she wants to have a go at misogyny and toxic masculinity in entertainment, she’d be better off starting with Love Island and yes, sorry, ALL scripted reality. And those are real people, not fictional characters.
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I'm not sure "How dare a woman have an opinion on this thing. She should have an opinion on that thing instead" is a great argument, tbh.
 
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Can I talk about the plot yet? OK well I'll spoiler it.

But generally yeah it was good, and a decent end to the set, considering I'm SURE it wasn't intended to be this many. I was a bit confused about people complaining about the mythology and the misogyny, the series has been guilty of both but not at the same time. I think the Craig years have been a lot less problematic (and I agree with the idea that we can hardly hang the era-indicative badness on the present-day franchise) and there haven't really been ongoing storylines in the franchise until they decided to cobble one together now.

ANYWAY
CHRIST I can see why they delayed it, of course to get the money, but an engineered pandemic? :eyes:

In some ways it felt a bit like the Star Wars finale - call back on some of the old plot devices for some big curtain call, but like Star Wars it dispensed with its character assets quite quickly in place of a baddie that was pretty crap. The mask thing was sort of cool, but he just ended up being a plot device. It felt like they decided the outcome, then the reason for it, then a contrived plot to make it happen in a very Doctor Who-esque way.

I mean they are nanobots - he's been using high-power EMPs during the movie, couldn't they at least try to find a way out? But no, it had to be "no, this new technology can definitely never be stopped ever" to make the ending happen.

Not really sure what the baddie was even doing, he had that VERY reactive escape room setup, but then he just turns up and shoots Bond and gets killed. That just made me feel like he was only a plot device. Disappointing when they offed Spectre and Blofeld so easily (what sort of criminal illuminati ALL meets up in one place?).

A few cringes, like the Beauty and the Beast-level of gayness with Q. An off-screen boyfriend mentioned pointedly? Was that supposed to win some points?

And WHO gives a kid a Slinky when the only staircase in the house is a spiral?
 
I really enjoyed this. It was no Skyfall but it was still a very enjoyable romp and it felt like the most "classic Bond" of all the Daniel Craig films. Even moreso than Skyfall, which carried through a lot of the tropes, whereas this had that but also the tone of the whole movie was nostalgic and reflective.

I was a bit underwhelmed with the new 007, but probably because there was a lot of hype in the reviews about the 007 bantz and chemistry. Didn't pick up on it as much as I wanted to. I imagine she's good for a spin off 007 series?

I love how the 5 films have a constant thread and a degree of closure and these films will always be looked back as a specific product of the overall Bond canon. I like that. Cue the Craig era boxset!

How cute was the little girl

I think a lot of the movie had style over substance. Which I'm fine with in a Bond movie but I can see why some people would be disappointed. The scouser behind me leaving the cinema: "well that's two-naaahhhf hours i'll nevah get bakkkkkk" :D

8/10
 
I have been trying to watch this all week was all sold out at MILE END GENESIS this week, I have not seen a BOND since SKYFALL which was superb, got high hopes for this one.
 
Halli said:
I have been trying to watch this all week was all sold out at MILE END GENESIS this week, I have not seen a BOND since SKYFALL which was superb, got high hopes for this one.
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you might want to try and catch Spectre before you do. The latest bonds do not sit in isolation at all. There's a lot of follow on from each movie. You don't NEED to have seen it, but it will make a lot more sense if you do.
 
funky said:
you might want to try and catch Spectre before you do. The latest bonds do not sit in isolation at all. There's a lot of follow on from each movie. You don't NEED to have seen it, but it will make a lot more sense if you do.
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thanks for the tip Funkz, I have RESPECT and Halloween Kills that have jumped the Que in terms of what I am going to see next, so I will do that before I get to this
 
It was good. A bit long and I forgot the woman was even in the last film.

I hope Q got bummed by his date in the end.

What happened to all the captive minions on the island when it got blown up?

Also Daniel Craig has eyes like a dead fish you see on the Morrison’s counter. Sexy.
 
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I feel like the island base had an area where the baddie recreates Madonna’s Nothing Really Matters video with his minions
 
God what a slog. This had the same problem as Spectre of trying to retrofit continuity and thus making the whole thing less fun by convoluting the plot as much as possible.

Also hanging the movie on the Bond/Madeleine relationship is odd considering they have zero chemistry. Like two strangers meeting every time.

The Ana De Armas piece was the most memorable but it’s from a totally different movie.

Rami Malek is abysmal. Also how is he supposed to be so old?
 
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Phoenix said:
God what a slog. This had the same problem as Spectre of trying to retrofit continuity and thus making the whole thing less fun by convoluting the plot as much as possible.

Also hanging the movie on the Bond/Madeleine relationship is odd considering they have zero chemistry. Like two strangers meeting every time.

The Ana De Armas piece was the most memorable but it’s from a totally different movie.

Rami Malek is abysmal. Also how is he supposed to be so old?
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He's only 40! Unless you mean Safin's age, but I don't think they referenced it.
 
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Also hanging the movie on the Bond/Madeleine relationship is odd considering they have zero chemistry. Like two strangers meeting every time.
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I agree and I don’t agree - at the start I didn’t feel much difference from his usual relationships with Bond girls.

But by the end at least SHE sort of sold it to me.

I didn’t really get what her big secret was, at least I don’t think the buildup to it really landed
 
Diddy said:
I agree and I don’t agree - at the start I didn’t feel much difference from his usual relationships with Bond girls.

But by the end at least SHE sort of sold it to me.

I didn’t really get what her big secret was, at least I don’t think the buildup to it really landed
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Well the first main secret she kept alluding to was about her history with Spectre, how her family were part of it. But when they were getting attacked and she was trying to tell him something, I think she was alluding to being pregnant.
 
I enjoyed it for what it was but there were, as always, ludicrous plot holes. I mean, WHY NOT JUST INFECT ALL YOUR HENCHMEN WITH ANTI-JAMES BOTS?
 
I was told to watch Spectre beforehand so did so the day before and ended up preferring that. But they were both good.
 
This is the first Craig-era Bond film I’ve watched.

It was… fine. He’s really very bland. Rami Malek’s performance was actively terrible and his character made next to no sense.

Lashana Lynch felt like such a missed opportunity as ’the new 007’ because her role just consisted of standard sidekick stuff. She wasn’t given anything interesting to do.

Ana De Armas was my highlight just because she seemed to be having so much fun. Lea Seydoux was a boring character but she really is arrestingly beautiful.

The end felt super rushed, weirdly considering how long the film was.

That said, it looked pretty and I wasn’t bored at any point.
 
I never really cared because they all looked so dour, but my friend really wanted to see it.

I could mostly follow it fine. I knew Christoph Waltz had been a big bad in a previous movie, and every time a character who'd been in like 2 scenes died (e.g. Jeffrey Wright) I just assumed it meant something if you'd followed the whole franchise.
 
I mean, correct me if I’m wrong as I’m not a huge Bond nut but didn’t Jeffrey Wright’s character feature in loads of the Connery and Moore era films too?
 
Oh :D Maybe but TBH I never paid that much attention. The only Bond film I really know/like is Goldeneye.
 
Pingu said:
I mean, correct me if I’m wrong as I’m not a huge Bond nut but didn’t Jeffrey Wright’s character feature in loads of the Connery and Moore era films too?
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yes, and very prominently in Craig's first film, Casino Royale, so a bit of a full circle moment.

I really enjoyed this! it slots comfortably into third place in the Craig canon - miles more entertaining than Quantum and a more fun piece of cinema than Spectre, but not on the level of Casino Royale or Skyfall.

to me it felt oddly... American. the Britishisms of the last two were lacking. great action scenes though, it didn't lag at any point and it felt like a worthy send of for Daniel. god I love Daniel Craig...

grade B+ (8/10)
 
This was an utter load of VERY EXPENSIVE NONSENSE with Rami Malek being the NADIR of Bond villains, but Ana de Armas wide-eyed femme fatale LIT UP the first half of the film.

CHAO! :disco:
 
Finally got round to watching this. It’s certainly engaging - obviously far too long but that is more tolerable on your own sofa than when your bum is going to sleep in the sofa. Ana de Armas was a total riot - shame she wasn’t in for longer but is absolutely felt like something from a different Bond movie and a lighter time for the character.
 
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